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ghost training to be removed
reported by CCP Fallout | 2008.10.13 15:59:54 | NEW

A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.

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ravoc zei:

Ter info:


m.a.w. vanaf 15 oktober gaan skills niet verder doortrainen als je account subscription expires!

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Black Neo zei:

tja, de crisis in ijsland is daar nog net ietske meer hé.

Ik weet niet of het zoveel invloed zal hebben. De meeste die ik ken en die een pauze inlassen, dan is dat zeker niet voor ghost training maar altijd voor andere redenen.

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Black Neo zei:

ik blijf erbij, je betaalt een maandelijks bedrag en dan moet je niet rekenen op extra's die buiten die maand vallen. Gebeurt dat toch, wees blij dat je ervan kan profiteren.
En die paar die hun accounts deleten, die zijn volgens mij al voor andere redenen aan het twijfelen of ze doorgaan met EvE of niet. Maar ik geloof niet dat je je account gaat deleten omwille van het schrappen van ghost accounts. Als ik Ceo was van een bedrijf als CCP dan zou ik mijn tijd en geld (onderhoud servers) niet investeren in mensen die niet voor mijn product betalen maar eerder profiteren.

Btw, check test server maar eens voor de decorations en voor certificates. Persoonlijk vind ik dat een heel leuke feature.

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why ghost training was disabled
reported by CCP t0rfifrans | 2008.10.13 23:17:25 | NEW

As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost training". Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.

It should be noted that we're not changing offline skill training for active subscribers in any way. This change only affects those who do not have an active subscription.

Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things? Of course not. We're a company like everyone else, we make a game, that we happen to love making and for most of us is the passion of our lives. But it's also a company. We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it better.

Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions. We are gamers. We game the system. We figure out how to maximize our returns. There's no surprise that people have done this for the simple fact that it wasn't banned per se and also for the fact that it was possible. But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug.

Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.

We can look at this from a variety of angles, but it all comes down to:

1. There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription
2. CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak
3. Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress

We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.

Torfi Frans Olafsson

Senior Producer of EVE Online

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Black Neo zei:

En EvE als een andere mmorpg beschouwen omwille van ghosttraining, dat geloof je toch zelf niet?

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This change is a shameless money grab that will lose them existing customers and deter newer players from taking up the game.

Alts are integral to any mmorpg. Some people are happy with one character, but almost all serious players in almost all mmorpgs have more than one character.

I mean fully functioning alts, not a 1 hour shake-n-bake hauler alt.

Example: You play all the time and enjoy the 0.0 end game and one of your characters is dedicated to fighting for one of the big coalitions, but… you want to enjoy other aspects of the game, and play with friends who are not in one of the big end game coalitions, so you have another alt with which you might try out FW or piracy or anti-piracy or industry, or merc life, or whatever.

Nobody in their right mind pays for more than one account to have alts in other games. Sure, rare people do, but in other games it’s just not necessary, because one account and one subscription accommodates several characters.

Eve is one of those bizarre places where people live in complete denial about many things, and the scam with regard to forcing payment on multiple accounts is one giant squid in the room that nobody talks about.

For me, until now, I could try to keep the price of two characters down by ghost training one while playing the other. That still left Eve inferior to other games with respect cost for services, because I was forced to leave one character inactive at a time, while in other games I could play any alt I wanted whenever I wanted. I know I was being cheated, but I lived with it to play Eve and be with friends.

Ending ghost training is just over the top. That, I cannot live with.

CCP is cheating players out of money, and on top of it, insulting us further by lieing about.

The stated reason for the change is.. “This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.”

Pardon me CCP, but the game is going on five and a half years old. If there was a grave imbalance, people would have written about it. On the contrary, not only were there essentially no people complaining about it earlier, but currently players hate this change. You are not doing this for the players, you’re doing this to cheat them out of more money. Everyone sees that.

Let’s look at the substance of the stated reason for this change. Can you imagine the balls the CCP CEO has to have in order to have a spokesman say the above. The stated reason is because they want to have players work on their characters rather than get ‘free’ advancement? Um, pink elephant in the room, squid in the room, hey, bloody dagger in the back, HELLO! YOU HAVE A FOUM WHERE ANYONE WITH REAL MONEY CAN, WITHIN THE EULA, BUY AS MUCH IN GAME CURRENCY AS THEY WANT AND BUY A CHARACTER 5 YEARS MORE ADVANCED IF THEY WANT. With enough cash, I can legally by game rules buy a titan and a titan pilot. And yet you, CCP, have the balls to say that you’re curtailing ghost training to even things between people who ‘work’ in game for their progress and those who don’t? Shame on you for the repulsive, translucent dishonesty and avarice.

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Black Neo zei:

Ik ken geen beginners die skill hebben lopen van 25 dagen en meer. En een skill die over max 8 dagen afloopt, is toch de moeite niet voor ghost training op toe te passen?

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Ik versta trouwens niet waarom iedereen bezig zit dat je zolang moet skillen om aan pvp te kunnen doen? Train propulsion jamming op I en high speed maneuvring (voor MWD) en je kan toch pvp'en?
Maar ik weet het standaardantwoord al: Jaja, maar in een frig kan ik niemand afmaken. En daar zit het probleem bij velen.

Voor pvp maakt het echt niet uit dat je je battleship skill op 4 of op 5 hebt staan

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Geen geduld om de game mechanics te begrijpen en vooral het feit aanvaarden dat je verplicht wordt tot samenwerken (het blijft nl een MMORPG).

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