Originally posted by Maxus 3D
Ik vond de sfeer in Alien3 zeer geslaagd.
Terug een donkere Alien film, na de Alien-oorlog-film genaamd Aliens.
Alien > Alien3 > Aliens >>> Alien: Resurrection
Originally posted by Yo-Han
En toch had Alien 3 zeker veel goeds..de donkere Seven sfeer zat er al in..gothic dekors a volonté..een soort sobere duisterheid...Ripley verliest alles in het begin van de film en dat zet verder de toon in de zwaar gothic industrieele decors ..de begrafenisscene van het meisje was echt mooi gedaan,,theatraal gothic..desilusie en wanhoop is het thema van deze film...en dat resulteert uiteindelijk in de dood voor
Ripley
absoluut mee akkoord, dat was dan ook Finchers verdienste
Qua de problemen, Fox had hem op de laatste moment genomen, wegens ervoor al wat problemen, zowel met regisseurs als schrijvers. (ik denk dat ze er van uit gingen, oh, das diene ket zijne eertse feature film, die gaat braafjes ja-knikken) De studio is zich bijna continue blijven moeien tijdens de opnames, Fincher bleek toch wat haar op z'n tanden te hebben...
(Dat is toch wat ik altijd "gehoord" heb, dat van problemen vooraf/tijdens staat zeker vast, er zijn meerdere scenaristen die aangenomen werden en tegen ze een paar veranderingen aan een paar scenes hadden gemaakt (of een nieuwe scene geschreven) terug afgedankt werden).
Ah, goed tekstje gevonden, het is wel wat lang, maar dat waren de problemen ook
Of all Alien films in the franchise, Alien³ always got the worst kind of criticism you can imagine. It seemed everybody was convinced that instead of finding a hair in the soup (or a fly in the onion) the soup was full of nothing but hair.
During all this time - in fact, since 1992, David Fincher stood remarkably silent. His career was in full force with SE7EN and underlined his unique visual concept and approach with THE GAME.
FIGHT CLUB and even the less spectacular PANIC ROOM solidified his position. Fincher is now one of the most desired directors in Tinseltown. Everybody you ask is full of praise - so are the articles in the press. But when it comes to Alien³, his very first film production the mood is suddenly going sour.
Looking back, Alien³ was a doomed project to begin with. This is not simply a statement of opinion without any basis to it - with all the wrangling going on behind the scenes (especially between production offices at Fox and Brandywine) leading up to spy missions (Fox producers required crew members to report all of Fincher's movements) and even direct pressure regarding schedule and financial backing on the project one wonders why the whole thing did not fall apart in "mid flight".It all began originally with the hiring of Renny (Die Harder) Harlin, who found his Waterloo not (with his then-wife Geena Davis) on his disastrous swashbuckler Cutthroat Island but 5 years prior in 1990, when he was working for a year on Alien³. His idea was to bring closure by exploring the one road that we had not walked yet - the search for the Alien home planet. The Brandywine producers didn't like it. Harlin was out. Enter Vincent Ward, New Zealand born visual artist who pitched the concept of a wooden (!!) space station where monks and hermits live in an medieval-like atmosphere, until an EEV from the Sulaco crashes (well, maybe not at 0600 on the morning watch but you can see the similarities between this story and what eventually became of it after Walter Hill, David Giler & Gordon Carrol got through first with Vincent Ward who then could wave his directorial aspirations good bye and then to his - already built - ideas & script).
Alien³ was in limbo, a date already set, time was wasted - and this was the exact point when David Fincher walked in. Stuffed with good wishes, pads on the back and a ticket to London, Fincher who presented his ideas was welcomed as another "young hopeful" that would get the producers (so they hoped) out of the mess. But there was one element that was new - extreme mistrust. And then, there was the script - the script that never was. Quite frankly, it is amazing that David Fincher, who came fresh out of successes with music videos such for Madonna and others and who enjoyed a good career at ILM as special effects cameraman, where he worked on both JEDI and INDIANA JONES didn't call it quits right then.
Going into production with a single line of dialogue - with a very shaky (and constantly changing) basis of a visual outline and place of the story is gruelling for anybody but on a big production like this, the task asked of his became an impossible job. Literary torn by expectations and demands from all sorts of corners for David Fincher this must have been nothing short of an Alien attack nightmare. And it was about to get worse: During production his favourite choice as Director of Photography, the legendary Jordan Cronenweth (who made Blade Runner a visual feast) was increasingly disabled by Parkinson's disease and had to be replaced.
The news was a shock for the director who especially now needed someone to rely on as the "surprises" from Hollywood kept on coming. Almost every day new demands or changes were made; the motivation curve of cast and crew at Pinewood Studios near London hit rock bottom. At one point David Fincher was caught on tape sighing "I hope someone goes and sees this movie". But instead of throwing in the towel, Fincher bit the bullet as if to make it clear he was not a quitter. And he enjoyed the full support by cast and crew, who followed him blindly. As Charles Dance said in an interview, calling Fincher "a genius" "I would jump off London Bridge for him".
Still, the studio and Brandywine clearly did not trust their own strategy and suggestions. More than halfway through the production the plug was pulled, 6 months of re-shoot followed - and Terry Rawlings, who edited already Ridley Scott's Alien, probably did his longest editing job ever - one year after the first cut was presented (the assembly cut) the theatrical version was approved by Fox while Fincher walked off with his reputation tarnished - until someone at New Line saw his enormous potential and presented him SE7EN on a silver platter, an offer which Fincher turned into an instant classic.
Rawlings believes that the reason Alien³ was such a disaster was because opportunities were "all wasted because of bad decisions". It was in a sense a project that was not meant to be. For years several (and mostly untrue) rumours were spread via the internet or on conventions regarding anything from the struggle on the set itself to the existence of the ominous "director's cut" that David Fincher was still sitting on.
David Fincher's non-appearance in picture or commentary on these documentations of the production of Alien³ is as strong a statement as his silence is deafening. The wounds clearly are very, very deep.