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scorbaworba zei:

Ah super dat je het al hebt

Het enige wat je echt 'kapot' kan maken door te spelen met die settings is je coil
Gewoon traag wattage opbouwen beginnen op 10 of 15 watt en zo opbouwen dus

0.5 ohm - (direct lung inhale)
15 - 60 watt (max) - 20 - 40% VG
15 - 50 watt (max) - 50 - 70% VG
15 - 40 watt (max) - 80 - 100% VG

1.2 ohm and 1.5 ohm - (mouth to lung inhale)
10 - 26 watt (max) - 20 - 40% VG
10 - 22 watt (max) - 50 - 70% VG
10 - 18 watt (max) - 80 - 100% VG
Die liquid die ik je gaf is allemaal 30PG 70VG

Dus als je de 0.5 coil gebruikt 15 - 50 watt (max) - 50 - 70% VG
1.2 10 - 22 watt (max) - 50 - 70% VG
Dat zou de veilige marge moeten zijn volgens Kangertech

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glashelder zei:

Thanks! Dat ik hier geen rare dingen doe

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scorbaworba zei:

Dat komt wel allemaal goed hoor welkom in het "vape clubje"
En veel succes en plezier ermee he .

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The Tobacco Products Directive



We are getting a lot of questions about the upcoming Tobacco Products Directive, european_unionso thought we would create a single page to give you all of the information we have on it – how it will affect you as a vaper and us as a supplier. We will keep updating this page as and when we get more information.


It has already happened

The first and most important thing to note is that the TPD has already happened. It is an EU directive that has been passed into UK law.

Realistically, the vaping industry couldn’t avoid regulation forever and nor should it. Consumers should be protected from bad suppliers and bad products. However, the TPD is an horrendous piece of legislation that goes way beyond consumer protection and makes selling ecigs harder than selling cigarettes. Most of its new rules are pointless at best and it is still unclear how some will be defined and enforced.

The TPD’s biggest effect is likely to be to decrease the number of people who vape compared to those who smoke. Considering that all of the credible evidence points to vaping being many times safer than smoking, it would seem that public health was the last thing on the minds of the bureaucrats who drafted the TPD. However, there is no point complaining about it now, it is too late.

Towards the end of 2016 and into early 2017, as your choice of products is reduced dramatically and it becomes harder and more expensive to buy the products you want – and you see less people stopping smoking – you can thank the European Union and those who want to keep us in it.


Key points of the TPD

The maximum e liquid bottle size is 10ml.
The maximum strength of e liquid is 2%/20mg.
Every single variant of e liquid and device capable of vapourising e liquid must be tested and the MHRA must be notified of each product and its test results six months before it can be sold.
The maximum e liquid capacity of tanks/clearomisers is 2ml.
Tanks/clearomisers must be ‘leakproof at the point of refilling’.
The advertising of any and all vaping products is banned. This includes physical advertising and electronic communications, such as emails and social media platforms.


Key Dates

20th May 2016

This is the date the TPD comes in to force. The advertising ban kicks in immediately. Most retailers will still be selling non-compliant products as usual, so consumers will be largely unaffected. However, we will see some small to medium manufacturers start to close down as they realise that TPD compliance will be too costly.

20th November 2016

From this date onwards, retailers will have six months to clear their shelves of non-compliant products, such as non-leakproof tanks, bottles over 10ml or 20mg etc. New non-compliant stock cannot be manufactured, purchased or sold.

Over the next six months almost all small manufacturers will close down. Retailers will start selling a much smaller range of products. There may be shortages, as many vapers panic buy and stockpile their favourite vaping gear.

20th May 2017

It is now illegal to sell any non-compliant product. Only products tested and MHRA notified six months earlier can be sold.

At this point the market will look very different. There will be a lot less vendors and a lot less choice available. We will probably see a lot of cases brought about by Trading Standards against vendors who seek to exploit loopholes and ‘grey areas’ in the TPD.


Effects on each product type

E Liquid

E liquid will only be available in 10ml bottles, at a maximum strength of 20mg (realistically, manufacturers aren’t likely to produce liquids over 18mg, to allow some margin for error). E liquid with no nicotine (0mg) does not need to be tested and is unaffected by the TPD.

E liquid bottles must have a childproof cap – which all responsible manufacturers already use anyway.

Even though the MHRA’s notification costs are only likely to be a couple of hundred pounds per flavour, per strength, the costs of testing could reach several thousand pounds for each. This means that a small manufacturer with, say, twenty flavours in four strengths, could face compliance costs of around a quarter of a million pounds.

Therefore, the number of manufacturers, and in turn the variety of e liquids on the market will be reduced dramatically. Most small to medium sized businesses who want an own label product will outsource their manufacturing to already compliant manufacturers while focusing on retail (like supermarkets do with their own brand products).

At Vapable, we will probably reduce the number of flavours in our own brand range initially and then add more back in over time. This will enable us to spread the cost of TPD compliance. In the meantime, we will increase the range of e liquid brands we stock from the larger, more established manufacturers who will attain full compliance easily. This will allow us to continue to offer our customers plenty of choice with the value and level of service that we have become known for.



Tanks and Clearomisers

As with e liquids, all tanks and clearomisers must be tested and the MHRA must be notified six months before they can be sold.

Only tanks with a capacity of 2ml and below will be available. Tanks must also be ‘leakproof at the point of refilling’ and deliver a consistent dose of nicotine.

Unfortunately, none of the tanks and clearomisers we currently offer would satisfy the new legislation, mainly because they are not ‘leakproof at the point of refilling’.

However, thankfully, the TPD has focused on the e liquid bottle, rather than the tank, when defining what ‘leakproof refilling’ means. New tanks designed to fill via a small hole that the nozzle of an e liquid bottle fits snugly into should be fine.

Manufacturers are just starting to bring out these ‘top-hole’ tanks that should satisfy the TPD’s criteria. At the moment they are only addressing the higher end sub-ohm type market. However, over the coming months we are confident that we will see a diverse range of tanks available.

On the ‘consistent dose of nicotine’ issue, it looks as if there will be some lenience in interpretation. As long as the tanks deliver a reasonably consistent nicotine dose in lab conditions (which sidesteps unquantifiable, real-world variables, such as how hard or long a user inhales), they will be fine.

By the time the TPD really takes effect we should be offering plenty of choice of new, compliant tanks for most vapers.



Batteries and mods

As far as we understand, batteries and mods sold without a tank or clearomiser should be unaffected by the TPD. This is because they are not capable, in isolation, of vapourising e liquid. However, if a battery and tank are sold together as a kit, the whole kit would need to be compliant.

This probably just means that after November 2017 all batteries and tanks will be sold separately, with retailers perhaps suggesting which would work best together.



Accessories

Accessories such as chargers, cases, lanyards, empty bottles and so on will be unaffected by the TPD.



Flavour concentrates

There shouldn’t be too much disruption to the sales of flavour concentrates for those who make their own e liquid. After all, the flavours themselves, contain no nicotine and are multi-purpose.

However, we at Vapable are preparing ourselves for someone from Trading Standards to decide that, because we are selling flavour concentrates in the same place as ecigs, they should all be treated as vaping products. For us, this would mean testing and notifying MHRA of well over five hundred flavours in several different bottle sizes at a cost potentially running into millions of pounds.

For this reason, we will be setting up a separate business in the next few weeks with its own website selling only multi-purpose flavour concentrates. We will let all of our customers know as soon as this happens.



Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerine

Much like flavourings, PG and VG are multi-purpose, aren’t vaped alone and aren’t really addressed by the TPD. We will continue selling them as usual for now. However, again, we are preparing ourselves for someone from Trading Standards to decide that they should be treated as vaping products.



Nicotine

Nicotine in PG or VG for DIY e liquid mixing is the product we are least clear about at the moment. It is something of a grey area.

It will be illegal to sell e liquid at more that 10ml in size or 20mg in strength. However, nicotine isn’t e liquid and isn’t vaped alone.

Nicotine does have other applications, though not really for the general public. So again, we doubt that Trading Standards would allow retailers to sell nicotine alongside other vaping supplies. If this is the case, we may set up another separate business just for nicotine, if there is a demand from our DIY customers for the decent quality vaping grade nicotine that we currently are able to supply.



We hope this information has been useful. We’ll continue to update it as we learn more about how the TPD will work in practice.

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Yori89 zei:

Mijn eerste vaporizer is besteld!

Het is geworden : DE KANGER SUBOX MINI

Check de prijs Hopelijk is ie goed.

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Brixarion zei:

Mijn laatste liquids kwamen van e life, een winkel op de vrijdagsmarkt in gent. Wisselen doe ik inderdaad wel echt weinig, er zijn maar drie smaken waar ik absoluut wild van loop en dat is appel munt en energiedrank. Andere soorten fruitsmaken enzo smaken altijd zo chemisch. Koffiesmaak heb ik ook maar dat is enkel als ik ook effectief koffie drink. Veel te weinig dus voor er een tank met te vullen . Ik zal eens rondkijken voor betere liquids!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HUAWEI P7-L10 met Tapatalk

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gStar zei:

Heb die setup. Goed voor een beginner . Maar ik heb hem wel 85 euro betaald zonder batterij. Zeker dat het geen clone is ? Voor 45 euro met 2 batterijen bij...


Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

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Moloch zei:

Joyetech Cuboid
Eleaf Melo 2
Aspire Triton 1.8
LG MJ1 3500mAh 10A

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Hara-K1ri zei:

Mooie set. Let wel een beetje op met die batterijen, de cuboid kan lage weerstanden aan, maar ik zou nu niet gaan kettingdampen (chainvapen) met een 0.2 ohm coil (amperage van je batterijen). 18MG is doenbaar met die 1.8. Met die -1 ohm meegeleverde coils denk ik dat ge een serieuze hoestbui zult meemaken.

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Moloch zei:

ben niet van plan die sub ohm coils te gebruiken hoor (zeg nooit nooit, maar dan zal ik mij wel de HG2's aanschaffen )

heb die base van CdD gevonden op savevape, maar 9 cent duurder voor 100ml (enige hoeveelheid spijtig genoeg) maar wel minder verzendskosten, al denk ik nie dat zij er flavor samples gaan bijsteken nen zeer lichte toets vanille erbij zou mij mss wel kunnen bekoren hm

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