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wizz

Legacy Member
Mijn zus is er in geslaagd om een virus te downloade dat ik maar niet weg krijg.
Ik weet niet wat het nog allemaal doet, maar het stuurt in ieder geval naar al mijn contacten het virus door als ik msn opstart.

log met hijackthis v2.0.0

Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.0 (BETA)
Scan saved at 14:28:17, on 18/06/2007
Platform: Windows 2000 SP4 (WinNT 5.00.2195)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINNT\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\services.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\FrameworkService.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\Mcshield.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\VsTskMgr.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\regsvc.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\MSTask.exe
C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\WBEM\WinMgmt.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINNT\system32\hkcmd.exe
C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\SHSTAT.EXE
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\UpdaterUI.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Network Associates\TalkBack\TBMon.exe
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Album Starter Edition\3.0\Apps\apdproxy.exe
C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\internat.exe
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1043\OLFSNT40.EXE
C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmgr.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\ikke\doc.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\ikke\Mijn documenten\Dries\HiJackThis_v2.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.standaard.be/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,AutoConfigURL = http://pac.pandora.be
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Koppelingen
O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: @msdxmLC.dll,-1@1033,&Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINNT\system32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Synchronization Manager] mobsync.exe /logon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [IgfxTray] C:\WINNT\system32\igfxtray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HotKeysCmds] C:\WINNT\system32\hkcmd.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DrvLsnr] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ShStatEXE] "C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\SHSTAT.EXE" /STANDALONE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [McAfeeUpdaterUI] "C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\UpdaterUI.exe" /StartedFromRunKey
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Network Associates Error Reporting Service] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Network Associates\TalkBack\TBMon.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Photo Downloader] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Album Starter Edition\3.0\Apps\apdproxy.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroFilterCheck] C:\WINNT\system32\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [internat.exe] internat.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [internat.exe] internat.exe (User 'Default user')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'Default user')
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Poort voor Symantec Fax Starter Edition.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1043\OLFSNT40.EXE
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Preloader van browseui - {438755C2-A8BA-11D1-B96B-00A0C90312E1} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Cache-daemon voor onderdeelcategorieën - {8C7461EF-2B13-11d2-BE35-3078302C2030} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O23 - Service: Logical Disk Manager Administrative-service (dmadmin) - VERITAS Software Corp. - C:\WINNT\System32\dmadmin.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: iPod-service (iPod Service) - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Framework Service (McAfeeFramework) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\FrameworkService.exe
O23 - Service: Network Associates McShield (McShield) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\Mcshield.exe
O23 - Service: Network Associates Task Manager (McTaskManager) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\VsTskMgr.exe
O23 - Service: SoundMAX Agent Service (SoundMAX Agent Service (default)) - Analog Devices, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent.exe

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End of file - 5481 bytes


Kan iemand mij helpen want dit is echt vervelend. Kan ik via windows live messenger veilig inloggen of heb ik dan hetzelfde probleem?

Dank bij voorbaat.

wizz

Legacy Member
De 2 nieuwe logskes:

ComboFix 07-06-13.7 - C:\Documents and Settings\ikke\Mijn documenten\Dries\ComboFix.exe
"ikke" - 18/06/2007 23:05:32 - Service Pack 4 NTFS


((((((((((((((((((((((((( Files Created from 2007-05-18 to 2007-06-18 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


2007-06-18 23:04 49,152 --a------ C:\WINNT\nircmd.exe
2007-06-18 20:46 10,872 --a------ C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\AvgAsCln.sys
2007-06-18 20:33 <DIR> d-a------ C:\WINNT\system32\appmgmt
2007-06-18 14:50 208,896 --a------ C:\WINNT\system32\wmpns.dll
2007-06-18 14:49 <DIR> d--h-c--- C:\WINNT\$SQLUninstallMDAC25SP3-KB927779-x86-NLD$
2007-06-18 14:46 <DIR> d-------- C:\Program Files\MSXML 4.0
2007-06-18 12:02 70,943 --a------ C:\DOCUME~1\ikke\mon.exe
2007-06-18 12:02 240,087 --a------ C:\DOCUME~1\ikke\doc.exe
2007-06-17 12:02 <DIR> d--h----- C:\WINNT\PIF
2007-06-07 12:17 <DIR> d-------- C:\WINNT\winsxs
2007-05-30 10:54 <DIR> d-------- C:\dj840


(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Find3M Report ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

2007-06-18 18:33:08 -------- d-----w C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger
2007-06-02 11:04:20 -------- d-----w C:\Program Files\Diablo II
2007-06-02 11:03:59 43,520 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\CmdLineExt03.dll
2007-05-19 18:32:54 -------- d-----w C:\Program Files\Soulseek
2007-05-13 15:40:48 -------- d-----w C:\Program Files\Warcraft III
2007-04-25 07:52:16 147,216 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\SCHANNEL.DLL
2007-04-16 12:44:55 54,032 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\mpr.dll
2007-04-11 13:17:12 35,185 ----a-w C:\WINNT\DIIUnin.dat
2007-04-11 13:15:26 21,840 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\SIntfNT.dll
2007-04-11 13:15:26 17,212 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\SIntf32.dll
2007-04-11 13:15:26 12,067 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\SIntf16.dll
2007-04-11 13:04:23 94,208 ----a-w C:\WINNT\DIIUnin.exe
2007-04-11 13:04:23 2,829 ----a-w C:\WINNT\DIIUnin.pif
2007-04-05 07:18:32 2,854,400 ----a-w C:\WINNT\system32\msi.dll
2007-03-21 23:37:31 1,168 ----a-w C:\WINNT\mozver.dat
2007-03-21 14:04:39 0 ----a-w C:\WINNT\nsreg.dat


((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Reg Loading Points ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


*Note* empty entries & legit default entries are not shown

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects]
{06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3}=C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll [22/10/06 23:08 ]
{761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43}=C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll [10/11/05 13:22 ]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"Synchronization Manager"="mobsync.exe" [19/06/03 12:05 C:\WINNT\system32\mobsync.exe]
"DrvLsnr"="C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr.exe" [08/05/03 11:34 ]
"ShStatEXE"="C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\SHSTAT.exe" [22/09/04 20:00 ]
"McAfeeUpdaterUI"="C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\UpdaterUI.exe" [06/08/04 03:50 ]
"Network Associates Error Reporting Service"="C:\Program Files\Common Files\Network Associates\TalkBack\TBMon.exe" [07/10/03 09:48 ]
"Adobe Photo Downloader"="C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Album Starter Edition\3.0\Apps\apdproxy.exe" [14/07/05 15:09 ]
"QuickTime Task"="C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" [16/02/07 10:54 ]
"iTunesHelper"="C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe" [14/03/07 19:05 ]
"Adobe Reader Speed Launcher"="C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe" [11/05/07 03:06 ]
"!AVG Anti-Spyware"="C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\avgas.exe" [11/06/07 11:25 ]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"internat.exe"="internat.exe" [11/01/00 02:00 C:\WINNT\system32\internat.exe]
"MsnMsgr"="C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.exe" []

[HKEY_USERS\.default\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\runonce]
"^SetupICWDesktop"=C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop

[HKEY_USERS\.default\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\run]
"internat.exe"=internat.exe

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\ShellExecuteHooks]
"{57B86673-276A-48B2-BAE7-C6DBB3020EB8}"="C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\shellexecutehook.dll" [30/05/07 14:29 ]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\currentcontrolset\control\safeboot\minimal\AVG Anti-Spyware Driver]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\currentcontrolset\control\safeboot\minimal\AVG Anti-Spyware Guard]
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Svchost - netsvcs
WmdmPmSN


Contents of the 'Scheduled Tasks' folder
2007-06-17 14:32:00 C:\WINNT\tasks\AppleSoftwareUpdate.job

**************************************************************************

catchme 0.3.721 W2K/XP/Vista - userland rootkit detector by Gmer, http://www.gmer.net
Rootkit scan 2007-06-18 23:07:57
Windows 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 NTFS

scanning hidden processes ...

scanning hidden autostart entries ...

scanning hidden files ...

scan completed successfully
hidden files: 0

**************************************************************************

Completion time: 18/06/2007 23:08:52

--- E O F ---


Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.0 (BETA)
Scan saved at 23:16:36, on 18/06/2007
Platform: Windows 2000 SP4 (WinNT 5.00.2195)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINNT\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\services.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\guard.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\FrameworkService.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\Mcshield.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\VsTskMgr.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\regsvc.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\MSTask.exe
C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\WBEM\WinMgmt.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\hkcmd.exe
C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr.exe
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\SHSTAT.EXE
C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\UpdaterUI.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Network Associates\TalkBack\TBMon.exe
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Album Starter Edition\3.0\Apps\apdproxy.exe
C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\avgas.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\internat.exe
C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1043\OLFSNT40.EXE
C:\WINNT\explorer.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\Documents and Settings\ikke\Mijn documenten\Dries\HiJackThis_v2.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.standaard.be/
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = about:blank
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,AutoConfigURL = http://pac.pandora.be
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Koppelingen
O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: @msdxmLC.dll,-1@1033,&Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINNT\system32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Synchronization Manager] mobsync.exe /logon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DrvLsnr] C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\DrvLsnr.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ShStatEXE] "C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\SHSTAT.EXE" /STANDALONE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [McAfeeUpdaterUI] "C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\UpdaterUI.exe" /StartedFromRunKey
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Network Associates Error Reporting Service] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Network Associates\TalkBack\TBMon.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Photo Downloader] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Album Starter Edition\3.0\Apps\apdproxy.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [!AVG Anti-Spyware] "C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\avgas.exe" /minimized
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [internat.exe] internat.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [internat.exe] internat.exe (User 'Default user')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'Default user')
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Poort voor Symantec Fax Starter Edition.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1043\OLFSNT40.EXE
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Preloader van browseui - {438755C2-A8BA-11D1-B96B-00A0C90312E1} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Cache-daemon voor onderdeelcategorieën - {8C7461EF-2B13-11d2-BE35-3078302C2030} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O23 - Service: AVG Anti-Spyware Guard - GRISOFT s.r.o. - C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5\guard.exe
O23 - Service: Logical Disk Manager Administrative-service (dmadmin) - VERITAS Software Corp. - C:\WINNT\System32\dmadmin.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: iPod-service (iPod Service) - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Framework Service (McAfeeFramework) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\Common Framework\FrameworkService.exe
O23 - Service: Network Associates McShield (McShield) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\Mcshield.exe
O23 - Service: Network Associates Task Manager (McTaskManager) - Network Associates, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Network Associates\VirusScan\VsTskMgr.exe
O23 - Service: SoundMAX Agent Service (SoundMAX Agent Service (default)) - Analog Devices, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Analog Devices\SoundMAX\SMAgent.exe

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End of file - 5595 bytes

Jurgenv1

Legacy Member
Download OTMoveIt.exe en plaats het op je bureaublad:

Start OTMoveIt door dubbel te klikken op OTMoveIt.exe
In het linkerpaneel, waar het zegt: Paste List of Files/Folders to be Moved ,kopieer en plak je onderstaand gedeelte:

C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ikke\mon.exe
C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\ikke\doc.exe


Klik daarna op de knop MoveIt onderaan.
Wanneer voltooid zal het een log aanmaken (********_******.log -- de * staat voor datum en tijd) in de volgende map: C:\_OTMoveIt\MovedFiles.
Post de inhoud daarvan in je volgende bericht met een nieuw hijackthis logje

wizz

Legacy Member
Ja ik weet niet ofdat nog mogelijk is want die 2 heb ik al handmatig verwijderd. Het msn probleem is in ieder geval verdwenen waarvoor alvast enorm bedankt!
Hopelijk blijft het weg.

Nog 1 ding: de link naar combofix in uw sticky geeft een 404 error. Misschien ligt het aan mij, ma kwou het maar even melden :)
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