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roeleke

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Hi all,

I am sorry that my Dutch knowledge is not enough to write this text. So I will continue in English.

I recently bought a car. It was a very good deal and I did a good bargain on it. Anyway, I have been using it without having any problem for now. I was wondering what happens if I sell this car with a profit let say 1000 euro. Do I need to pay text for this 1000 euro extra? If not, what happens if I start buying and selling cars myself? I mean not constantly but buying a car when it is a good deal and selling it afterwards. What happens then? Is there any limit?

Thanks.
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JPV

Legacy Member
You'll have to be registered as a trader and declare your profits when you start buying cars not just for your own needs, but to make profit.
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roeleke

Legacy Member
JPV zei:
You'll have to be registered as a trader and declare your profits when you start buying cars not just for your own needs, but to make profit.
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That is exactly what I was asking. How can one differentiate if I am doing this for my own needs or to earn some money? One may buy and sell 5 cars per year for his own needs. He might not like the car and wanted to sell it but as a coincidence he makes some profit. Is that against laws? :ironic:
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JPV

Legacy Member
If you buy cars but don't register them at the DIV or buy 2 cars in a row before selling one, you will probably be considered a trader. Or if you hire a large garage with > 5 places just for "1" car, ...

Even so, if you buy & sell that many cars, you might have to declare your profits, even if you're not registered as a trader.
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javierkeportill

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You can buy and sell 6 cars a year without any problem.
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JPV

Legacy Member
javierkeportill zei:
You can buy and sell 6 cars a year without any problem.
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please explain (if you mean you can buy & sell 6 cars a year without declaring anything)
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javierkeportill

Legacy Member
I do not know where it is written down (in a law or something else), but a friend of mine deals in cars and told me that you can sell 6 cars without being taxed on the added value.
Of course when you start having a certain continuity in your actions, you will be considered as a trader.

In short: if you buy and sell some cars (with a maximum of 6) there will be no problem. If you really want to make your business out of this, you will be considered as a trader.
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Riverdale27

Legacy Member
It would be helpfull if you could find out where that is written down, so that the TS can be sure.
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roeleke

Legacy Member
Buying+selling 6 cars per year is too many for a year. I would appreciate if you can show us a quotation where it is stated.
By the way, 6 cars without registering or is registration obliged?
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javierkeportill

Legacy Member
I don't have a quotation and don't find it either but I only tell you what I know from that friend of mine.
I won't be able to help you further with this.
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roeleke

Legacy Member
javierkeportill zei:
I don't have a quotation and don't find it either but I only tell you what I know from that friend of mine.
I won't be able to help you further with this.
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Ok. Thank you.
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Zillybe

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You buy a car to (use and) sell it with profit.
Belgium wants your money !
You should put your profit on your declaration (code 1200).
(bit strange this site, but it gives an idea: Belastingen en bijverdienen - Euro-Bijverdienen)

I also don't understand how you are planning to use a car that is not registered...
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FueGo

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From my point of view, you have to make a distinction between the income you gain as a natural person and the income you gain as a trader.

In your example, when you actually sell your car with a profit, it will be a 'diverse income', that income will not be taxed when it falls within the scope of the normal management of your private wealth.

However, when you are regularly selling several cars there will be a possibility that the Belgian administration will consider you as a trader. From that moment you'll have to fulfill all legal obligations of a trader, V.A.T. registration etc.

The problem is, in my opinion, that the moment when you become an actual trader is a grey zone. The judge will have to consider all present facts of the case to decide if you are a trader or not. If he actually sees that you have the will to gain profits bij selling several different cars a year, then I guess he will not hesitate to declare you a trader. So if I were you, I would be very cautious ;).
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roeleke

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My aim is not to become a trader. My aim is to buy a car, use it for some time and then after let say 6-7 months sell it. Buying+selling once or twice per year is more than enough for me. Therefore, I won't sell a car that I haven't registrated. It will be my own car.

FueGo zei:
From my point of view, you have to make a distinction between the income you gain as a natural person and the income you gain as a trader.
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To be honest, I didn't know that I can earn money as a natural person. How come this is possible without VAT number? Is it possible?
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javierkeportill

Legacy Member
The VAT number only gives you the possibility to deduct 'the paid VAT', it has nothing to do with earning money as such.
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roeleke

Legacy Member
Gladiator zei:
stay below 5580 euros a year :)
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Ok thanks. I just came to know "bijberoep". I have just created another topic for my bijberoep related questions. I'd appreciate if you guys can answer there as well. Thanks.
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